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BrianB
Posted: Oct. 20 2006, 11:07 ET


As of today, October 3, 2007, this new rule is now dead.

No real reason given as to why it's dead, but it's dead.  Read this thread if you want to find out how it came to be known that the new rule was dead.

Leaving the old post here for historical context and links.

New option regarding protein spacing

As you should all know, there is only one food category which must be eaten in certain portions, at a certain interval, and is not optional -- and that is protein.  All other food categories are optional -- you can eat the maximum permitted quantity of them, or eat none of them, it's up to you.  But you must eat all allocated servings of protein, and you have to allow at least 4 hours between protein servings.

A couple weeks ago an option was approved that might be particularly useful at holiday meals (and other occasions as well).  Before I tell you what the option is, I need to do a little explaining to make sure there is no mis-interpretation that might cause you to make a dietary error.

If you're allocated 2 servings per day (the norm), then it would be typical to have 3½ ounces of protein in one meal, and then at least 4 hours later have 3½ ounces of protein in another meal.  Of course you could have smaller portions over more meals, as long as the total for the day was 7 ounces and you didn't have more than 3½ ounces in any 4 hour period.

If you're allocated 3 servings per day (done for various reasons), the rules were the same, but you'd have say 3½ oz. for breakfast, wait at least 4 hours, have 3½ oz. for lunch, wait at least 4 hours, and 3½ oz. for dinner.  Of course if you wanted to break it up into smaller portions (say 2 ounces for breakfast, 1 ounce for mid-morning snack, 3½ ounces for lunch, etc.) that would be OK, again so long as the total for the day did not exceed 10½ ounces and you didn't have more than 3½ ounces in any 4 hour period.

The new rule/option allows you to have up to 5 ounces at once, one time per day.  This does not increase your total daily allowance of protein -- if you're on 2 portions you still get 7 oz. per day, and on 3 portions you get 10½ ounces per day.  It only allows you some flexibility in the distribution of the protein.  So if you knew you were going out to eat for dinner, and are allocated 2 portions per day, you could have 2 ounces of protein during the first part of the day, and then have say a 5 oz. steak for dinner.  If you're allocated 3 portions per day, you could have 2 ounces of protein for breakfast, 3½ ounces for lunch, and 5 ounces for dinner.  The "one time per day" clause is aimed at those on 3 portions per day -- so to be clear, if you're on 3 portions per day, you cannot eat ½ ounce protein for breakfast, 5 oz. for lunch and 5 oz. for dinner - that would be a no no.  If you're on 2 portions per day, then the "once per day" clause has no effect on you.

I'm passing this information on verbatim as I received it from the clinic.  I can see where those of you that have social dining experiences might find it helpful, and it might even be nice for home cooking now and again -- especially for a steak or nice piece of chicken breast.

Enjoy!

BrianB
Posted: Mar. 7 2007, 09:27 ET


Moving this topic here to the Bulletin Board, but leaving a locked copy in the original location to preserve any existing links.

sara21
Posted: Mar. 7 2007, 09:57 ET


Wow this is crazy for me to hear... because when i went to my visit with the doctor, he gave me a long drawn out diagram indicating why i can NEVER have more then 3.5 ounces... and how it would throw me out of ketosis.  I am definitely going to check with him at my next visit!

BrianB
Posted: Mar. 7 2007, 11:11 ET


A lot of the clinics don't seem to be aware of this rule.  It was announced last year around the time of my original post (in time for Thanksgiving in the U.S.).  My clinic told me about it and said it came from the head office.

Kelly
Posted: Mar. 7 2007, 13:58 ET


Brian not only do I value the various info that you share here but often find myself in awe of your amazing math skills.  :D

Andi78
Posted: Mar. 16 2007, 13:46 ET


Clearly I wasn't paying attention when they were speaking of protein.  Can anyone tell me why we need a minimum of 4 hrs. between protein intake?

I generally have a 1/2 a serving of protein bar + 1/2 fruit serving in the morning and by the time I get to work I'll have the other 1/2 protein bar with my coffee (2hrs later).  Will this stall my weight loss?  

Lunch usually incorporates 2oz. of protein and the remaining 1.5oz is for dinner.  

Should I revise my existing eating plan?    ???

BrianB
Posted: Mar. 16 2007, 17:11 ET


Since I don't know the exact timing of your breakfast, mid-morning snack, lunch, and dinner, I'll just give general guidance that you can apply to your schedule.

You don't have to wait 4 hours between each individual consumption of protein, you have to wait 4 hours between "portions".  So, if you eat 1/2 a protein, then you can eat the other 1/2 any time you like -- 5 minutes later, 2 hours later, whenever -- because you haven't eaten a "portion" yet.

Basically think of it this way, in any 4 hour period you can never have more than 1 portion.

So, if you had 1/2 portion at 8am, and 1/2 portion at 10am, and 1/2 portion at Noon, that would be OK because you've had no more than 1 portion in any possible 4 hour block.  Remember that with the rule that is the topic of this thread, a portion can be up to 5 ounces once per day (borrow 1.5 ounces from one portion and use in another), so even if you had 1/2 portion at 8am and 1/2 portion at 10am and 2/3 of a portion at Noon, you'd still be OK.

So maybe, the easiest way to think about it is "no more than 5 ounces (or the equivalent) in any 4 hour period)".

Does that help or just make it worse?   :D

Andi78
Posted: Mar. 19 2007, 10:00 ET


made it better, thanks Brian :)

JessieB
Posted: Jun. 1 2007, 21:06 ET


Quote (BrianB @ Oct. 20 2006,08:07)
The new rule/option allows you to have up to 5 ounces at once, one time per day.  This does not increase your total daily allowance of protein -- if you're on 2 portions you still get 7 oz. per day, and on 3 portions you get 10½ ounces per day.  It only allows you some flexibility in the distribution of the protein.  So if you knew you were going out to eat for dinner, and are allocated 2 portions per day, you could have 2 ounces of protein during the first part of the day, and then have say a 5 oz. steak for dinner.  If you're allocated 3 portions per day, you could have 2 ounces of protein for breakfast, 3½ ounces for lunch, and 5 ounces for dinner.  The "one time per day" clause is aimed at those on 3 portions per day -- so to be clear, if you're on 3 portions per day, you cannot eat ½ ounce protein for breakfast, 5 oz. for lunch and 5 oz. for dinner - that would be a no no.  If you're on 2 portions per day, then the "once per day" clause has no effect on you.

I was told at the clinic this week that we can only have larger portions of chicken or fish at one time as long as we do not exceed our 7oz or 10.5oz for the day.  However, I was told we can not do that with steak as it is harder for the body to breakdown and may result in stalled weight loss.

I don't know if I misunderstood but just thought I would give everyone a heads up.

Lee Hell
Posted: Jun. 18 2007, 16:40 ET


Yup, that's true. I went out for Father's Day and wrote 5oz filet mignon on my diet sheet thinking it would be fine because I had only 2 egg whites for breakfast. They told me I was pushing it and should'nt do it again because steak takes long to break down. Ooops!

nickns2
Posted: Jun. 18 2007, 17:31 ET


Quote (Lee Hell @ June 18 2007,16:40)
Yup, that's true. I went out for Father's Day and wrote 5oz filet mignon on my diet sheet thinking it would be fine because I had only 2 egg whites for breakfast. They told me I was pushing it and should'nt do it again because steak takes long to break down. Ooops!

Interesting....they've never said anything to me when I've done it in the past.  Mind you it's usally on the weekends and I always have good losses so maybe they don't even look.

BrianB
Posted: Oct. 3 2007, 13:16 ET


As of today, October 3, 2007, this new rule is now dead.

No real reason given as to why it's dead, but it's dead.  Read this thread if you want to find out how it came to be known that the new rule was dead.

Leaving the old post here for historical context and links.